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RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

kim_harding ✅

@kim_harding@mastodon.scot · 3 months ago

Goldman Sachs launches AI-free index
https://www.axios.com/2026/02/20/ai-goldman-sachs-stocks-index
Goldman Sachs has launched an S&P ex-AI index, SPXXAI, which that lets you invest in the S&P 500 benchmark index minus all things AI.
This product is proof of the demand among investors for a way to hedge their exposure to the AI trade.

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Shane Celis

@shanecelis@mastodon.gamedev.place · 3 months ago

@mcc Debian without the ai: Debane.

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 fosdem

@mkljczk@pl.fediverse.pl · 3 months ago

@mcc so I’m assuming the index is exclusively companies that have never touched so-called ‘AI’, which is what you’re expecting from said Linux distro?

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@mkljczk Eventually, I'd expect we should be able to build a complete computer's repository of software written only by people who have verified they haven't used LLM "code assistants". Since companies are unlikely to provide such verification, we should get as close as we should possibly get.

But since you asked, yes, I think any software or OSS code contributions from a corporation should be treated with concern right now, since many have adopted mandatory LLM policies.

nicole mikołajczyk 🔜 fosdem

@mkljczk@pl.fediverse.pl · 3 months ago

@mcc can't imagine a Linux distribution, even just a fork of Linux kernel that would be free of corporate contributions from the past few years and the future ones as a sustainable project

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@mkljczk That is not what the people who originally created Linux believed. It's not what we believed when I first started using Linux in like 1997-1998. The idea that the open source movement is driven by the leavings of large otherwise-propreitary software corporations is something that developed after the fact.

Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

@m@martinh.net · 3 months ago

@mcc Searching merged GH PRs authored by claude, just to feel something...

GitHub search for merged PRs authored by 'claude'. There are 2.3 million of them. Not great, not terrible.

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@m oh… this post was meant to be a reply to your post https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116115453811522063

Matt Campbell

@matt@toot.cafe · 3 months ago

@mcc Has Rust crossed the line yet? Rust has been such a valuable tool that I'm going to be really upset if we have to either give it up or fragment the community.

Tris

@tris@chaos.social · 3 months ago

@mcc @AerynOS is AI-free ;)

AerynOS.com

@AerynOS@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

@tris @mcc we are trying to be.

We recently introduced a policy of no LLM contributions with exceptions if people need to use LLM for accessibility purposes.

It's probably impossible to declaratively state all submissions are 100% human created but we have our stance and hope people will respect that and we will also reject submissions if we doubt authenticity.

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@AerynOS @tris meaning what?

Are you saying you have a software repository free of software containing LLM contributions?

It's very easy to say your distribution's unique software follows some principle or other because most Linux distributions write little software, instead mostly packaging other people's software.

Debacle

@debacle@framapiaf.org · 3 months ago

@mcc

A stritcly #AI free #Linux distribution would need to be an #AIfree #BSD or #Hurd distribution in the long run. AFAIK, the Linux #kernel itself might have some AI assisted code already. They have a strict disclosure policy, though:

https://kernel.org/doc/html//next/process/coding-assistants.html

AI Coding Assistants — The Linux Kernel documentation

elle

@elle@weathered-steel.social · 3 months ago

@mcc it's bad enough to motivate me to build my own alternative: https://crates.io/crates/keyper

it's still early days, TUI-only, but 100% human-engineered.

Martin Schulze 🌻🇺🇦

@martin207@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@mcc Taking an undifferentiated position against genAI tech as whole is about the stupidest thing we - as “the left”™️ - could be doing. The same is true for software engineers btw. (1/3)

Oleksii

@Oleksii@social.linux.pizza · 3 months ago

@mcc not sure if anyone mentioned a passkey. For me it's good compromise security and convince wise. My yubikey works ok with laptop and phones too.

dram🎀

@dramforever@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@mcc So uh I have bad news about this Linux thing...

attila

@haqistan@hachyderm.io · 3 months ago

@mcc I so want this too. Moreover, I want some kind of standard/standardized compact/agreement/declaration/license that F/OSS projects individually could reference to declare that they agree with and enforce this stance: no "AI" contributions whatsoever. Have not yet found such a thing.

I agree that the distro level is the right place for this, but there's an argument to be made that it should go all the way down.

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@haqistan

Here's the text I'm currently copypasting into my own open source projects: https://codeberg.org/mcc/nameless-experimental-lisp/#contributor-agreement

I've seen other people with standard text, but nothing designed to be copypasted.

Incidentally, I am considering upgrading to something a little stronger, like this; what do you think about it? https://mastodon.social/@mcc/115872922320160715

Codeberg.org

nameless-experimental-lisp

Unsupported, untitled, but extensively documented, experimental programming language interpreter. Do not actually use.

attila

@haqistan@hachyderm.io · 2 months ago

@mcc (1) I'm also on codeberg, just followed you; sorry it took me so long to get back to you, am not on mastodon much atm;

(2) I f'ing love what you're doing with that LISP interpreter, I was a hard-core LISP person myself all through the early 80s/and 90s, even before (ran NIL on the VAX under VMS, fun);

(3) I really like your wording and approach in that license/contributor agreement, I think that's a fine start. The MCC0 license is born.

LLMs are finally pushing hackers back into RMS's annoying little box, where we're all supposed to out-lawyer actual lawyers (not a fan), but here we are: you can't just pretend like getting spammed by LLMs isn't a real concern anymore.

I put something in my blog's license a while ago b/c of and switched to CC0(NC), but it obviously doesn't go far enough and anyway, I think we've lost that battle. Creators with serious skin in the game can only expect a few $thousand dollars per *book* that is appropriate? GTFO

At least with code LLMs have to expose themselves by forking you or submitting PRs, We have a chance to get a hand in their "face".

moin

@moin@gruene.social · 3 months ago

@mcc
There is this thing called "debian" and "suse"

Brett Edmond Carlock

@Brett_E_Carlock@mastodon.online · 3 months ago

@mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives

Brett Edmond Carlock

@Brett_E_Carlock@mastodon.online · 3 months ago

@mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.

As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.

Again, whinging, but the pattern holds

Fabian Transchel

@ftranschel@norden.social · 3 months ago

RE: https://mastodon.social/@knoppix95/116104645693904284

@mcc Have you seen https://norden.social/@knoppix95@mastodon.social/116104645844598267 and alike?

I think apart from Mozilla, most projects are on board to fight or at least block AI.

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@ftranschel "I can get LLM corruption out of all the software in my computer except my web browser and password manager", in addition to being at this point afaik still aspirational, is kinda… that's not a good outcome. The web browser and password manager have extreme persmissions and extreme capacity to do harm.

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@ftranschel In addition, I have committed a tremendous error which is now coming back to bite me: I installed software written by BlueSky PBC

mcc

@mcc@mastodon.social · 3 months ago

@ftranschel In addition, I have committed a tremendous error which is now coming back to bite me: I installed software written by BlueSky PBC