@cwebber @bkuhn @ossguy @richardfontana Giving a link to a Wikipedia page lets you look up the version history with every single contributor from the first byte of the article. You don’t have to list 10,000 names to satisfy CC BY, you just have to provide a link to a page that does. An LLM doesn’t and cannot do that.

@bkuhn @ossguy @richardfontana So let me summarize:

- Without knowing the legal status of accepting LLM contributions, we're potentially polluting our codebases with stuff that we are going to have a HELL of a time cleaning up later
- The idea of a copyleft-only LLM is a joke and we should not rely on it
- We really only have two realistic scenarios: either FOSS projects cannot accept LLM based contributions legally from an international perspective, or everything is effectively in the public domain as outputted from these machines, but at least in the latter scenario we get to weaken copyright for everyone.

That's leaving out a lot of other considerations about LLMs and the ethics of using them, which I think most of the other replies were focused on, I largely focused on the copyright implications aspects in this subthread. Because yes, I agree, it can be important to focus a conversation.

But we can't ignore this right now.

We're putting FOSS codebases at risk.

@bkuhn @ossguy @richardfontana If we are pushing for an *equitable* scenario for copyright output, there is only one "good outcome" in terms of copyright, and that is that everything is effectively in the public domain. The dream of having a "copyleft LLM" doesn't work.

And even if it did, there are several problems:

- Nobody is using that *now*, and contributors are facing contributions *now*, and there is legal uncertainty about accepting those contributions *right now*.
- It is unlikely that the "copyleft LLM" would be very useful. The way people use these tools is conversational in a way that requires them to effectively have to be trained on the entire internet to be functional. Not just copyleft codebases.

The copyleft LLM dream is a joke.

@dansup@mastodon.social @anewsocial@mastodon.social maybe leave nostr out

@volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip

For people who hate their users and the platform because protocol is what really matters, they sure suck at making a protocol.

I can't even log in on other frontends because the DID resolve endpoint returns an error, too

Outages on Bluesky feel worse than on fedi, even if the overall reliability may be higher, because at least when my account becomes unusable here it's because I fucked it up myself (which rarely happens ).

Remember stop killing games y'all?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/stop-destroying-videogames/product-details/20260407CHE13962

The EU is having a public hearing TODAY

What a plushy guy!

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Good morning various social media outlets!

We’re gonna start the day with a little positivity. The world may be on fire, everything may seem worse than it was yesterday, but you’re still around and that fact has made someone smile. Keep your chin up.

Mesmerizing textures of the bark of a massive black poplar I saw yesterday.

Trees are pretty much the best thing.

#trees

@alice@lgbtqia.space it must be left to the imagination 😶‍🌫️

"Bluesky is decentralized" mfers when your home-deployed data is inaccessible to the flagship interface because they require age verification that's not implemented in the self-deployment version

like, ATProto's so cool! The model behind it kinda skews towards having a few centralized front-end and i have questions about how it would actually scale to smaller servers but it's very fun and flexible

why is 90% of it locked behind bluesky's firehose and bluesky's API and bluesky's front-end!!!! fuck

man i wish bluesky would just die and leave ATProto behind so it could actually properly grow as a decentralization technology

I was able to log in on Red Dwarf. But only using the password method. OAuth requires the DID resolver to work, even if you enter the raw DID instead of your handle.

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