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@coracinho @mcc #bluesky is like Mastadon amd makes a big deal of being decentralised, any one can run a server or build a client and interoperate, just like email.
This annoyed people because it wasn't practically possible to run a Bluesky server yourself, the demands for storage etc were wild.
#Blacksky are seeming to have made progress in doing so.
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@falken @coracinho Also the *way* in which Blacksky is making progress seems to me to make it look improbable any of the rest of us will reproduce what Blacksky has done. It's taken months of Rudy's time and he's had to purchase storage for "terabytes" of data because *standing up a new Blacksky "instance", in a total sense, requires literally mirroring everything posted on the network*, including spam and old inaccessible chats on people's https://stream.place streams
@mcc @coracinho huh. Still!
Don't suppose there is a write up somewhere that digs into it? Like, rather than mirroring the firehose, could they not store new stuff, and fall back to grabbing from Bluesky if missing.
@mcc @coracinho @falken This is the best writeup on bluesky's decentralization I've seen which gets very in the weeds. Christine is an expert on decentralized communication and one of the authors of the ActivityPub spec that powers fedi so I don't think you'll find a better analysis
https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
@Eliot_L @mcc @coracinho and it answers my thought about what why #blacksky can not just fetch on demand.
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[in #bluesky unlike #fediverse ] there is no directed delivery; if you want to see replies which are relevant to your messages, you (or someone operating on behalf of you) had better sort through and know about every possible message to find out what messages could be a reply.
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Which is bonkers.
@falken @Eliot_L @coracinho There is a very compelling Twitch clone called "stream.place" that uses Bluesky accounts and although the site itself is great, the way that things like chat work is that they have an incoming feed of THE ENTIRETY OF BLUESKY, and they just grep it for content posted that happens to be in the streamplace chat lexicon. This is. Absurd. It obliterates hopes of self-hosting. It will scale worse and worse if Bluesky ever gets more popular. It is blockchain to me.
@falken @Eliot_L @coracinho What if you had a messaging system that worked by everyone posting messages to each other on their own personal html sites, because you had one server that was scraping the entire internet continuously and then a second server that was monitoring the feed of all scrapes and filtering out things that looked like messages from your friends to you. That is what bluesky has built.
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